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vijay wrote:
Kalyani Nandurkar wrote:
vijay wrote:

What  great choice of histories we have to chose from : Real history, British history,Congress history, BJP history, RSS history, Leftist history, Muslim history, Regional history, Local history, Perceived history, Communal history and so on. Rarely many of us are on the same page of history.

Perhaps you could enlighten us with some real history!

After knowing which way the historical winds are blowing these days I dare not risk enlightening anyone but myself. 

I am also not a student of history. So it will be inappropriate to say anything authoritatively. However, it is undisputed that Tipu sultan fought against British and was killed inaction. So he is early freedom fighter. No ruler can satisfy all people. There can be some sections/ community hostile to Tipu sultan. It also transpires that Maratha and some other Hindu kings sided with British against Tipu sultan. Apparently, for them it was more important to fight Tipu sultan rather than British. Are those who supported British patriot or traitor. It is also learnt that still there are many temples in the  palace/ fort of Tipu sultan. so it appears that the allegation of destroying temples is baseless. It is also seen that Tipu sultan annoyed Hindu Brahmans and upper castes who did not allow low caste Hindu women to wear bra or blouse. They were so lecherous that they considered it their right to watch nude breasts/ nipples of lower caste women. Tipu sultan interfered so that the low caste women could live with dignity and wear blouse. This practice of low caste women moving topless was also in Travancore Kerala. This was stopped by British government. These facts have been reported by some friends on Facebook with authentic images and complete details.

However it appears that the state government has bot dealt with the law and order issue properly.     

 

 


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Gulshan Kumar Ajmani wrote:
vijay wrote:
Kalyani Nandurkar wrote:
vijay wrote:

What  great choice of histories we have to chose from : Real history, British history,Congress history, BJP history, RSS history, Leftist history, Muslim history, Regional history, Local history, Perceived history, Communal history and so on. Rarely many of us are on the same page of history.

Perhaps you could enlighten us with some real history!

After knowing which way the historical winds are blowing these days I dare not risk enlightening anyone but myself. 

I am also not a student of history. So it will be inappropriate to say anything authoritatively. However, it is undisputed that Tipu sultan fought against British and was killed inaction. So he is early freedom fighter. No ruler can satisfy all people. There can be some sections/ community hostile to Tipu sultan. It also transpires that Maratha and some other Hindu kings sided with British against Tipu sultan. Apparently, for them it was more important to fight Tipu sultan rather than British. Are those who supported British patriot or traitor. It is also learnt that still there are many temples in the  palace/ fort of Tipu sultan. so it appears that the allegation of destroying temples is baseless. It is also seen that Tipu sultan annoyed Hindu Brahmans and upper castes who did not allow low caste Hindu women to wear bra or blouse. They were so lecherous that they considered it their right to watch nude breasts/ nipples of lower caste women. Tipu sultan interfered so that the low caste women could live with dignity and wear blouse. This practice of low caste women moving topless was also in Travancore Kerala. This was stopped by British government. These facts have been reported by some friends on Facebook with authentic images and complete details.

However it appears that the state government has bot dealt with the law and order issue properly.

Celebration of birthday is not issue of common peoples.It is raised by political parties. It is celebrating first time. Why congress is celebrating it and if they are celebrating why BJP opposing it. It in enough that Tipu Sultan was Indian and he fought with British. Some chiller political leaders have not any job they always in search of some contraversy, it keep them busy.   

 

 

 

Gulshan Kumar Ajmani wrote:

 

I am also not a student of history. So it will be inappropriate to say anything authoritatively. However, it is undisputed that Tipu sultan fought against British and was killed inaction. So he is early freedom fighter. No ruler can satisfy all people. There can be some sections/ community hostile to Tipu sultan. It also transpires that Maratha and some other Hindu kings sided with British against Tipu sultan. Apparently, for them it was more important to fight Tipu sultan rather than British. Are those who supported British patriot or traitor. It is also learnt that still there are many temples in the  palace/ fort of Tipu sultan. so it appears that the allegation of destroying temples is baseless. It is also seen that Tipu sultan annoyed Hindu Brahmans and upper castes who did not allow low caste Hindu women to wear bra or blouse. They were so lecherous that they considered it their right to watch nude breasts/ nipples of lower caste women. Tipu sultan interfered so that the low caste women could live with dignity and wear blouse. This practice of low caste women moving topless was also in Travancore Kerala. This was stopped by British government. These facts have been reported by some friends on Facebook with authentic images and complete details.

However it appears that the state government has bot dealt with the law and order issue properly.     

 

 

Someone rightly tweeted " The first thief ( Tipu) enters your house ,enslaves you and when the second thief  ( British) enters the house with the same purpose , the first thief fights him for his own survival and dies at the hands of the second thief ! So do we call the first thief a patriot ??? Amusing that some people are ready to go to any length to twist facts and write their own version of history !

All that is written about Brahmins peeping at womens intimate parts of the body is hogwash written by someone ( probably a Dalit writer to defame Brahmins and Upper Caste people ) with a very dirty and fertile imagination. In Kerala and parts of Konkan coast women from old traditional families regardless of caste still do not wear blouse while at home.earlier this was in practice , mainly because of the weather.Woen wore sarees tied tightly around their bosom and left one side of their shoulder bare. British did try to stop this practice but not very successfully since it is still very much in practice in villages ..So if a Brahmin could peep at low caste women so could low caste man peep at a High caste woman ! As far as Tipus so called secular views , the temples that are remaining afer his misrule have all been restored and one temple he did not destroy was Sri Ranganath Temple at Sri Ranga Patna where the temple priest cleverly manipulated him by pretending to read his horroscope , because Tipu wanted to conquer the entire Indian sub continent and become an emperor ! This is a well known fact told by the guides and temple priests at Sri Ranga Patna from where he ruled !

As far as Siddaramaiah is concerned, he is a short sighted leader only interested in power and  he is totally unfit to be a MLA , let alone be a CM,,,


Pay no mind to those who talk behind your back, it simply means that you are two steps ahead !!!

Thank you said by: Kalyani Nandurkar
vijay wrote:
Kalyani Nandurkar wrote:
vijay wrote:

What  great choice of histories we have to chose from : Real history, British history,Congress history, BJP history, RSS history, Leftist history, Muslim history, Regional history, Local history, Perceived history, Communal history and so on. Rarely many of us are on the same page of history.

Perhaps you could enlighten us with some real history!

After knowing which way the historical winds are blowing these days I dare not risk enlightening anyone but myself. 

Hail thee. Just be satisfied with enlightening yourself.

 

 

History is best left to the historians. Though it does not call for any authoritative command to see the weirdness of the claim that he was a freedom fighter! What is required is plain application of minds free from prejudice and narrowness. Tipu was a 18th century figure and none thought of freedom even the Indian National Congress and its leaders were apologetic about full-fledged demand for independence in the initial decades.Dabblers at history are better advised against preaching their home-spun,ridiculous theories!!

rambabu wrote:
vijay wrote:
Kalyani Nandurkar wrote:
vijay wrote:

What  great choice of histories we have to chose from : Real history, British history,Congress history, BJP history, RSS history, Leftist history, Muslim history, Regional history, Local history, Perceived history, Communal history and so on. Rarely many of us are on the same page of history.

Perhaps you could enlighten us with some real history!

After knowing which way the historical winds are blowing these days I dare not risk enlightening anyone but myself. 

Hail thee. Just be satisfied with enlightening yourself.

 

Thank you for the enlightening advise, Mr Advisor .

 

 

 

chinmoymukherjee wrote:

History is best left to the historians. Though it does not call for any authoritative command to see the weirdness of the claim that he was a freedom fighter! What is required is plain application of minds free from prejudice and narrowness. Tipu was a 18th century figure and none thought of freedom even the Indian National Congress and its leaders were apologetic about full-fledged demand for independence in the initial decades.Dabblers at history are better advised against preaching their home-spun,ridiculous theories!!

Thats exactly what I would like to ask these people who go all out to make Tipu a patriot ! Just because he opposed, fought the British and lost his life in the battle does not make him a patriot . This whole business of his patriotism was started by Sanjay Khan who made the serial along with Tipus grand son who was a friend and business partner . The fats were twisted in the serial and the censor board rightly asked him to change certain parts since it was not according to reality ...He sought the help of politicians who saw an opportunity in it ! The truth about Tipu is there all over Mysore and Sri Ranga Patna , Kodagu and Mangalore where he conquered , forcibly converted and tortured people..


Pay no mind to those who talk behind your back, it simply means that you are two steps ahead !!!

usha manohar wrote:
chinmoymukherjee wrote:

History is best left to the historians. Though it does not call for any authoritative command to see the weirdness of the claim that he was a freedom fighter! What is required is plain application of minds free from prejudice and narrowness. Tipu was a 18th century figure and none thought of freedom even the Indian National Congress and its leaders were apologetic about full-fledged demand for independence in the initial decades.Dabblers at history are better advised against preaching their home-spun,ridiculous theories!!

Thats exactly what I would like to ask these people who go all out to make Tipu a patriot ! Just because he opposed, fought the British and lost his life in the battle does not make him a patriot . This whole business of his patriotism was started by Sanjay Khan who made the serial along with Tipus grand son who was a friend and business partner . The fats were twisted in the serial and the censor board rightly asked him to change certain parts since it was not according to reality ...He sought the help of politicians who saw an opportunity in it ! The truth about Tipu is there all over Mysore and Sri Ranga Patna , Kodagu and Mangalore where he conquered , forcibly converted and tortured people..

Casting Tipu Sultan as a Great Patriot and a hero who fought for freedom from British served well the purpose and intent of the Congress party since it matches their own policy of appeasing only a certain community. And if people now seek to understand and promote the true facts of history, it is understandable. In any case, these filmmakers such as Sanjay Khan hardly are known for making 'historical' films that adhere to true facts. Recent film Bajirao by Sanjay Leela Bhansali is another such stupid, rubbish film with huge sets and dream sequences in which the queen Kashibai is seen dancing with Mastani a la item song, when in fact both women met each other only once in their entire lifetime. And Kashibai had a limp in one of her legs, how could she dance, wearing such skin-revealing saree? these filmmakers simply have no regard for dignity or respect towards historical figures.


"I am free of all prejudice. I hate everyone equally."
- W. C. Fields :)

Kalyani Nandurkar wrote:
usha manohar wrote:
chinmoymukherjee wrote:

History is best left to the historians. Though it does not call for any authoritative command to see the weirdness of the claim that he was a freedom fighter! What is required is plain application of minds free from prejudice and narrowness. Tipu was a 18th century figure and none thought of freedom even the Indian National Congress and its leaders were apologetic about full-fledged demand for independence in the initial decades.Dabblers at history are better advised against preaching their home-spun,ridiculous theories!!

Thats exactly what I would like to ask these people who go all out to make Tipu a patriot ! Just because he opposed, fought the British and lost his life in the battle does not make him a patriot . This whole business of his patriotism was started by Sanjay Khan who made the serial along with Tipus grand son who was a friend and business partner . The fats were twisted in the serial and the censor board rightly asked him to change certain parts since it was not according to reality ...He sought the help of politicians who saw an opportunity in it ! The truth about Tipu is there all over Mysore and Sri Ranga Patna , Kodagu and Mangalore where he conquered , forcibly converted and tortured people..

Casting Tipu Sultan as a Great Patriot and a hero who fought for freedom from British served well the purpose and intent of the Congress party since it matches their own policy of appeasing only a certain community. And if people now seek to understand and promote the true facts of history, it is understandable. In any case, these filmmakers such as Sanjay Khan hardly are known for making 'historical' films that adhere to true facts. Recent film Bajirao by Sanjay Leela Bhansali is another such stupid, rubbish film with huge sets and dream sequences in which the queen Kashibai is seen dancing with Mastani a la item song, when in fact both women met each other only once in their entire lifetime. And Kashibai had a limp in one of her legs, how could she dance, wearing such skin-revealing saree? these filmmakers simply have no regard for dignity or respect towards historical figures.

Film makers are not making films for teaching history. The only and only purpose of these are making a hit film. On TV Ekta Kpoor showing sercial Jodha Akbar, The story of this serial is to much far away form reality. These film makers writing history in their away.

 

Let them also celebrate the Birthday of Babar, Mohd Gouri and Orangzeb and it will be more secular if they include Nadir Shah and Muhammad Gaznavi in the list.


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