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suni51 wrote:

vijay wrote:

If cow slaughter is going to be approached from an religious angle then rational arguement cannot take place. Linking other social evils with it and bringing other country practices is causing confusion. The Hindu religion elevating the cow to a high status was perfectly alright in the times when cow fulfilled an economic purpose. The cow gave milk,.helped plough the field, its dung was a fuel, urine had medicinal value and after death its skin was used as leather. Truly the cow was revered as a mata and is referred today also as gowmata. However as its economic uses have been taken over by buffalo milk,tractors,coal and gas and plastics replacing leather, the cow has become almost totally replaceble. So its numbers are bound to go down. Also afterit stops being useful the owners find it economically tough to feed it and thus dispose it off just as in poultry farms hens are slaughtered once they stop laying eggs.The government can ban cow slaughter but how will it compensate the owner for the costs they will incurr after its economic life is over. That is a big issue. Owners are known to abandon them just as thousands of widows are abandoned and live in Mathura in dire circumstances. It is economics that decides many practices including religious. There are nonvegetarians in theworld including in India for whom eating animal meat is a food. Where theirvis demand there will be a supplier. Bans will only push the market underground at higher costs and corruption will flourish. Alcohol is banned in Gujarat since 1947 and is available at higher costs thru well established networks and corruption is too well known. So let us discuss rationally and not emotionally though it is your right to do so.

 

India can sale them alive to other countries like Australia sells its live stock. Simple, after all Hindus object to slaughter and not to selling them. It's easy as that.

   And then import the beef for consumption in India. Surely a great idea, the target community is also taken care off. Wow. 

suni51 wrote:

vijay wrote:

Gulshanji has very nicely explained how animals are now not needed because of machines taking over their functions. So the religious protection now may look irrelevant. Animals are like properties which have to be profitable. If not they will get disposed off. Sounds harsh but that is the reality. and bans are not going to prevent but only establish new routes for their disposals. For diehard supporters it is a coincidence tat BJP ruled states  are imposing such bans.

 

In that case should we allow killing of people no more useful/earning for the family? If the majority oppose killing of cow on religious basis what is wrong if government wishes to fulfill their wishes. After all different governments have been doing the same i the name of minority rights for ages in this country which are not applicable even in Arabian countries. For instance marriage of minor girls, family planning rules, theft (punishment - cutting off hands) Rapes etc etc. If the BJP ruled states are banning the cow slaughter other states should take a lesson and do that with immediate effect. Sorry it sounds harsh but that is naked truth. In my district alone there are at least 40-50 thousand animals slaughtered every day including camels,  buffalo, cows and the meat exported to Arab countries. PLEASE DO NOT OPEN THESE LINKS IF YOU HAVE A WEAK HEART

http://in.sudeshkumar.org/2011/05/ban-kamela-slaughterhouse-in-meerut.html

http://in.sudeshkumar.org/2011/05/ban-kamela-slaughterhouse-in-meerut.html

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/meerut/Meerut-has-no-abattoir-but-animal-slaughter-continues/articleshow/40286842.cms

http://www.downtoearth.org.in/content/black-curse-kali-river

http://www.indiaenvironmentportal.org.in/category/285/thesaurus/slaughter-house/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZwiOgV1dGw

 

I am not against ban on cow slaughter on religious sentiments of Hindus.  It is good to respect sentiments of Hindu community as well as others. But then we should clearly say this. The BJP governments deny that they are banning on Hindu religious grounds. They are giving other flimsy reasons to justify the ban. why they are shy of saying that religious sentiments of majority community also need be considered.  To substantiate my point, I can say without any fear of contradiction that even BJP will not campaign for ban on cow slaughter in Kashmir, Kerala, Meghalaya, Nagaland- which don't have substantial Hindu population. Moreover in some states like Bengal, Hindus also eat beef.  .      

 

 

Gulshan Kumar Ajmani wrote:

suni51 wrote:

vijay wrote:

Gulshanji has very nicely explained how animals are now not needed because of machines taking over their functions. So the religious protection now may look irrelevant. Animals are like properties which have to be profitable. If not they will get disposed off. Sounds harsh but that is the reality. and bans are not going to prevent but only establish new routes for their disposals. For diehard supporters it is a coincidence tat BJP ruled states  are imposing such bans.

 

In that case should we allow killing of people no more useful/earning for the family? If the majority oppose killing of cow on religious basis what is wrong if government wishes to fulfill their wishes. After all different governments have been doing the same i the name of minority rights for ages in this country which are not applicable even in Arabian countries. For instance marriage of minor girls, family planning rules, theft (punishment - cutting off hands) Rapes etc etc. If the BJP ruled states are banning the cow slaughter other states should take a lesson and do that with immediate effect. Sorry it sounds harsh but that is naked truth. In my district alone there are at least 40-50 thousand animals slaughtered every day including camels,  buffalo, cows and the meat exported to Arab countries. PLEASE DO NOT OPEN THESE LINKS IF YOU HAVE A WEAK HEART

http://in.sudeshkumar.org/2011/05/ban-kamela-slaughterhouse-in-meerut.html

http://in.sudeshkumar.org/2011/05/ban-kamela-slaughterhouse-in-meerut.html

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/meerut/Meerut-has-no-abattoir-but-animal-slaughter-continues/articleshow/40286842.cms

http://www.downtoearth.org.in/content/black-curse-kali-river

http://www.indiaenvironmentportal.org.in/category/285/thesaurus/slaughter-house/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZwiOgV1dGw

 

I am not against ban on cow slaughter on religious sentiments of Hindus.  It is good to respect sentiments of Hindu community as well as others. But then we should clearly say this. The BJP governments deny that they are banning on Hindu religious grounds. They are giving other flimsy reasons to justify the ban. why they are shy of saying that religious sentiments of majority community also need be considered.  To substantiate my point, I can say without any fear of contradiction that even BJP will not campaign for ban on cow slaughter in Kashmir, Kerala, Meghalaya, Nagaland- which don't have substantial Hindu population. Moreover in some states like Bengal, Hindus also eat beef.  .      

 

It's  a fact that certain sects in Hindus are beef eaters.

 

 

Gulshan Kumar Ajmani wrote:

suni51 wrote:

vijay wrote:

Gulshanji has very nicely explained how animals are now not needed because of machines taking over their functions. So the religious protection now may look irrelevant. Animals are like properties which have to be profitable. If not they will get disposed off. Sounds harsh but that is the reality. and bans are not going to prevent but only establish new routes for their disposals. For diehard supporters it is a coincidence tat BJP ruled states  are imposing such bans.

 

In that case should we allow killing of people no more useful/earning for the family? If the majority oppose killing of cow on religious basis what is wrong if government wishes to fulfill their wishes. After all different governments have been doing the same i the name of minority rights for ages in this country which are not applicable even in Arabian countries. For instance marriage of minor girls, family planning rules, theft (punishment - cutting off hands) Rapes etc etc. If the BJP ruled states are banning the cow slaughter other states should take a lesson and do that with immediate effect. Sorry it sounds harsh but that is naked truth. In my district alone there are at least 40-50 thousand animals slaughtered every day including camels,  buffalo, cows and the meat exported to Arab countries. PLEASE DO NOT OPEN THESE LINKS IF YOU HAVE A WEAK HEART

http://in.sudeshkumar.org/2011/05/ban-kamela-slaughterhouse-in-meerut.html

http://in.sudeshkumar.org/2011/05/ban-kamela-slaughterhouse-in-meerut.html

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/meerut/Meerut-has-no-abattoir-but-animal-slaughter-continues/articleshow/40286842.cms

http://www.downtoearth.org.in/content/black-curse-kali-river

http://www.indiaenvironmentportal.org.in/category/285/thesaurus/slaughter-house/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZwiOgV1dGw

 

I am not against ban on cow slaughter on religious sentiments of Hindus.  It is good to respect sentiments of Hindu community as well as others. But then we should clearly say this. The BJP governments deny that they are banning on Hindu religious grounds. They are giving other flimsy reasons to justify the ban. why they are shy of saying that religious sentiments of majority community also need be considered.  To substantiate my point, I can say without any fear of contradiction that even BJP will not campaign for ban on cow slaughter in Kashmir, Kerala, Meghalaya, Nagaland- which don't have substantial Hindu population. Moreover in some states like Bengal, Hindus also eat beef.  

 

The states you have mentioned do not count even for 5-6% total population of India and one more fact not all people are cow eaters in these states too. The point in question is cow and not buffaloes etc.

 

@Vijai, we are talking about cow only and not all animals in this thread.  The way the things are going on we shall soon be importing milk in India for sure.      

 

 

 

You could be right. Inspite of being the world's largest milk producer , there is shortage of milk in India.  

The AG retracted his statement and said that goats etc would not come under purview of ban. But fact is hindus do rever the cow and i see nothing wrong in  banning cow slaughter. I am in UAE and pork is banned, so why can't beef be banned here. There should be no politics in this. Hindus have been at the receiving end for 11 centuries. Its about time they asserted themselves.

Even I agree why can't it be banned. But this always has been a problem with our country we make an issue of anything. What's wrong in banning slaughter of cow when we worship it.

MG Singh wrote:

The AG retracted his statement and said that goats etc would not come under purview of ban. But fact is hindus do rever the cow and i see nothing wrong in  banning cow slaughter. I am in UAE and pork is banned, so why can't beef be banned here. There should be no politics in this. Hindus have been at the receiving end for 11 centuries. Its about time they asserted themselves.

 

Thats a pertinent question you rised., "Why can't beef be banned?"

Since Muslims and Christians eat beef ,and they form a chunk of our population beef should be sold at certain outlets , unlike now where cows are rounded up anywhere and everywhere by the butchers and taken away.I have seen this happen here , in fact 2 cows from our ancestral home that were let out in the fields for grazing were taken away and when people stop these vehicles that operate illegally, political parties make an issue out of it..