usha manohar wrote:

vijay wrote:

usha manohar wrote:

When the ruling party for most of the 6o odd years after independence has been practicing communalism and divisive politics , governing for the sake of power, intolerance is bound to set in and now it comes out in the open and the present government has the added difficult task of dealing with the previous governments misadventures  ..

By this logic every new government will find previous governments a failure. let the new government make its policies and not search for alibis to cover anticipated failures. If the misadventures of previous governments were so monumental the new government overcame then in such short time. Even bias should have reasonability. Let fresh air blow. 

The instances of examples of intolerance are in fact failures of governance for sake of power 

So, failure of which governance for sake of power were you referring to ?

The failures in Kashmir to prevent anti national activities for sake of power which a member said is a case of tolerance.

The issue of anti national slogans is subjudice. The issue has been well discussed in this thread. So, now we would be largely repeating the same arguments again and again. When the judicial process is complete, everything including use of doctored videos wil be revealed. Let us wait till the final verdict. 

Our discussion is prolonged as media is giving excessive coverage to Kanhaiya Kumar. Whenever he says some thing, there are comments which are reflected in this thread as well. 

Anyway, there is some more news from  JNU. Manusmriti burnt by ABVP soldiers.  

http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/Delhi/abvp-burns-manusmriti-copies-in-jnu/article8330154.ece

Gulshan Kumar Ajmani wrote:

The issue of anti national slogans is subjudice. The issue has been well discussed in this thread. So, now we would be largely repeating the same arguments again and again. When the judicial process is complete, everything including use of doctored videos wil be revealed. Let us wait till the final verdict. 

Our discussion is prolonged as media is giving excessive coverage to Kanhaiya Kumar. Whenever he says some thing, there are comments which are reflected in this thread as well. 

Anyway, there is some more news from  JNU. Manusmriti burnt by ABVP soldiers.  

http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/Delhi/abvp-burns-manusmriti-copies-in-jnu/article8330154.ece

The Manusmiriti in fact should have been burned hundreds of years back, but it remained the solid edifice of Hindu jurisprudence. It is out of date as it was hundreds of years back and no tears should be shed on burning of Manusmiriti.

 

vijay wrote:

usha manohar wrote:

vijay wrote:

usha manohar wrote:

When the ruling party for most of the 6o odd years after independence has been practicing communalism and divisive politics , governing for the sake of power, intolerance is bound to set in and now it comes out in the open and the present government has the added difficult task of dealing with the previous governments misadventures  ..

By this logic every new government will find previous governments a failure. let the new government make its policies and not search for alibis to cover anticipated failures. If the misadventures of previous governments were so monumental the new government overcame then in such short time. Even bias should have reasonability. Let fresh air blow. 

The instances of examples of intolerance are in fact failures of governance for sake of power 

So, failure of which governance for sake of power were you referring to ?

The failures in Kashmir to prevent anti national activities for sake of power which a member said is a case of tolerance.

 

You mean things were better before in Kashmir ? Someone has to rule the state after elections, so two parties have got together to do so...Would it have made any difference if Congress was one of the parties ? Probably worse since they created the mess in the first place and let it deteriorate ..

usha manohar wrote:

vijay wrote:

usha manohar wrote:

vijay wrote:

usha manohar wrote:

When the ruling party for most of the 6o odd years after independence has been practicing communalism and divisive politics , governing for the sake of power, intolerance is bound to set in and now it comes out in the open and the present government has the added difficult task of dealing with the previous governments misadventures  ..

By this logic every new government will find previous governments a failure. let the new government make its policies and not search for alibis to cover anticipated failures. If the misadventures of previous governments were so monumental the new government overcame then in such short time. Even bias should have reasonability. Let fresh air blow. 

The instances of examples of intolerance are in fact failures of governance for sake of power 

So, failure of which governance for sake of power were you referring to ?

The failures in Kashmir to prevent anti national activities for sake of power which a member said is a case of tolerance.

 

You mean things were better before in Kashmir ? Someone has to rule the state after elections, so two parties have got together to do so...Would it have made any difference if Congress was one of the parties ? Probably worse since they created the mess in the first place and let it deteriorate ..

Why do you always bring focus on Congress rule which is history and has no bearing on the present situation. Good or bad they have been rejected by the people. Now the new dispensation has to deliver the goods. The fact that they are still not coming together to form a government in itself tells a lot. ISIS and Pakistani flags are being openly shown every Friday and no one has been arrested. Should we hold BJP responsible for it irresepective of what happened before. The State is tough to rule and every party is going to find it difficult to rule. I repeat again my observations where in the context that such happenings are being touted as our tolerance which I feel is lack of governance.

vijay wrote:

usha manohar wrote:

vijay wrote:

usha manohar wrote:

vijay wrote:

usha manohar wrote:

When the ruling party for most of the 6o odd years after independence has been practicing communalism and divisive politics , governing for the sake of power, intolerance is bound to set in and now it comes out in the open and the present government has the added difficult task of dealing with the previous governments misadventures  ..

By this logic every new government will find previous governments a failure. let the new government make its policies and not search for alibis to cover anticipated failures. If the misadventures of previous governments were so monumental the new government overcame then in such short time. Even bias should have reasonability. Let fresh air blow. 

The instances of examples of intolerance are in fact failures of governance for sake of power 

So, failure of which governance for sake of power were you referring to ?

The failures in Kashmir to prevent anti national activities for sake of power which a member said is a case of tolerance.

 

You mean things were better before in Kashmir ? Someone has to rule the state after elections, so two parties have got together to do so...Would it have made any difference if Congress was one of the parties ? Probably worse since they created the mess in the first place and let it deteriorate ..

Why do you always bring focus on Congress rule which is history and has no bearing on the present situation. Good or bad they have been rejected by the people. Now the new dispensation has to deliver the goods. The fact that they are still not coming together to form a government in itself tells a lot. ISIS and Pakistani flags are being openly shown every Friday and no one has been arrested. Should we hold BJP responsible for it irresepective of what happened before. The State is tough to rule and every party is going to find it difficult to rule. I repeat again my observations where in the context that such happenings are being touted as our tolerance which I feel is lack of governance.

 

I see it as a steady deterioration of the situation in Kashmir over the years because of the previous government which simply cannot be waved away , because it could have been set right ...Now with terrorism becoming a global issue, Kashmir problem too has escalated. It also may be because of the internal support that the terror groups are receiving from within India and as far as the new government is concerned, we all know the change in situation and how it is being worked out ...

Terror groups do not need any support from within India. They get more than enough from across the border. Kashmir is generally ruled from Delhi and in past all political parties have done so with results for all to see. BJP promised a fast solution hence expectations were higher. They too seem to be going the previous govt ways. As a vehement supporter acceptance is difficult.

What has been happening since 60 odd years , to be set right within 2 years ...I guess that is simply not possible but one can see concrete steps being taken by Modi and it is working ! No doubt , critics will want to see negativity everywhere especially when things are beginning to look up ..

vijay wrote:

Terror groups do not need any support from within India. They get more than enough from across the border. Kashmir is generally ruled from Delhi and in past all political parties have done so with results for all to see. BJP promised a fast solution hence expectations were higher. They too seem to be going the previous govt ways. As a vehement supporter acceptance is difficult.

In fact, there is no other party as power hungry and as unprincipled as BJP. Right now, they are desperate for alliance with PDP knowing well that the alliance partner is very close to Pakistan and separatists- Hurriat, and considers the hanging of Afzal Guru as judicial murder. That is why the real culprits raising Pro Kashmir Azadi slogans are not yet arrested. The other alliance partner is in Punjab- Akali Dal- close to Pro Khalistan separatists. They consider the Indira Gandhi killers as martyrs. Then they are also one time allies with AIDMK and may again enter in such relation even though that party is close to LITTE- who killed Rajeev Gandhi.

The 'nationalism' of the RSS and allied organization is fake. Rather their activities of creating communal tension and divide between different communities is the real anti nationalism.  

Gulshan Kumar Ajmani wrote:

vijay wrote:

Terror groups do not need any support from within India. They get more than enough from across the border. Kashmir is generally ruled from Delhi and in past all political parties have done so with results for all to see. BJP promised a fast solution hence expectations were higher. They too seem to be going the previous govt ways. As a vehement supporter acceptance is difficult.

In fact, there is no other party as power hungry and as unprincipled as BJP. Right now, they are desperate for alliance with PDP knowing well that the alliance partner is very close to Pakistan and separatists- Hurriat, and considers the hanging of Afzal Guru as judicial murder. That is why the real culprits raising Pro Kashmir Azadi slogans are not yet arrested. The other alliance partner is in Punjab- Akali Dal- close to Pro Khalistan separatists. They consider the Indira Gandhi killers as martyrs. Then they are also one time allies with AIDMK and may again enter in such relation even though that party is close to LITTE- who killed Rajeev Gandhi.

The 'nationalism' of the RSS and allied organization is fake. Rather their activities of creating communal tension and divide between different communities is the real anti nationalism.  

 

There is a saying for a thief everybody else is a thief , similarly for communal people all others seem  communal . I guess if the communal ( calls itself congress) party had got in an alliance with PDP things would be fine ..the whole argument is laughable and reeks of double standard as usual !